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Post by Advance The Man on Apr 1, 2010 19:10:37 GMT -7
So the rear negative cant is easy. Then you have to bend the axle. Couldn't you just move the metal 'stick' to the opposite side on the Block and it would provide the positive cant needed for the front dominate wheel? Can you tell I'm having troubles tonight bending axles correctly?? Made two beautifully canted rear cars and then butchered the DOM!
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Post by ACME Racing on Apr 1, 2010 19:48:37 GMT -7
Put your wheel on the axle. Slide it tight to the head of the axle. Mark around the axle with a sharpie right at the inner hub. Remove the wheel. Then chuck the axle up in your drill press. While turning cut a groove at that spot with a small round file. Mine is 1/8 inch. Cut about halfway into the axle. Then do your polishing of this axle. Once done use a bad wheel and slip it on the axle. Hold the axle while using the bad wheel to bend your axle. This is how I do it. Other builders probably have their own way?
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Post by Advance The Man on Apr 2, 2010 5:48:19 GMT -7
Thanks ACME. That will help. But, do you or anyone know why we are bending axles at all? Why can't the front dominant positive cant be completed by putting a larger metal 'stick' (for lack of knowing what that thing is) in block and drilling? This would take out the inconsistencies of this axle. Being that this forum is full of professional PWD racers, there is a reason - I'm looking to benefit from you to know why. I certainly will try it if know one has a reason.
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Post by ACME Racing on Apr 2, 2010 6:16:49 GMT -7
There is no way you can drill your axle to the proper camber and steer. This has to be readily adjustable. You don't want to be filling and re drilling your hole to adjust the steer all the time.
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Post by Shade Racing on Apr 2, 2010 6:36:01 GMT -7
So the rear negative cant is easy. Then you have to bend the axle. Couldn't you just move the metal 'stick' to the opposite side on the Block and it would provide the positive cant needed for the front dominate wheel? Can you tell I'm having troubles tonight bending axles correctly?? Made two beautifully canted rear cars and then butchered the DOM! you can matter-of-fact others & myself do BUT you still have to bend the axle for steer in the rail
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Post by Advance The Man on Apr 2, 2010 6:43:43 GMT -7
That's why I'm asking! ;D Thanks all for the reasoning. Look forward to several more stupidly obvious questions from me! So the rear negative cant is easy. Then you have to bend the axle. Couldn't you just move the metal 'stick' to the opposite side on the Block and it would provide the positive cant needed for the front dominate wheel? Can you tell I'm having troubles tonight bending axles correctly?? Made two beautifully canted rear cars and then butchered the DOM! you can matter-of-fact others & myself do BUT you still have to bend the axle for steer in the rail
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Post by Wood Butcher Racing on Apr 2, 2010 8:50:56 GMT -7
I think you're getting it. You only bend one axle. The dominant front wheel. All other axles are strait. ACME explained his method and I do it similar, except I don't use a drill press. I use the pin vise to hold the axle and file with a small triangle file. Just a small groove or notch, only on one side. This allows you to bend in a very controlled manner and retain most of the strength. This is just my way of thinking. Just like ACME says; we all get to the same place, just different methods. One could drill for steer and camber. This would be very difficult and not adjustable. A recepie for frustration
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Post by speedie4u on Apr 2, 2010 10:07:37 GMT -7
You can drill the front dom wheel, foor cant and toe.
This in mind of reducing the amount if bend needed from the axle itself.
I do this, not on all my cars, As I still tinker allot in this area.
But I have found it reduces wheel hop from such a bent axle.
Naturally I you do less cant and toe in the drilling process, So you do not have to re-drill or fill, just less bend with the axle.
So far it has done good for me and reduced the wheel hop from a 3 to 4 degree or more bent axle.
Sporty
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Post by Advance The Man on Apr 2, 2010 10:25:09 GMT -7
That is interesting. So the 'metal stick' (please someone stop me from using this phrase, what is it called!) used with the Block - you don't use to do this one? Something smaller? I suppose a small drill bit would suffice. I like the idea as my problem is I'm bending too much and then I'm concerned it is too weak to leave on car. So not having to do as much of a bend seems like a good idea. Something I'll test/try. Thanks You can drill the front dom wheel, foor cant and toe. This in mind of reducing the amount if bend needed from the axle itself. I do this, not on all my cars, As I still tinker allot in this area. But I have found it reduces wheel hop from such a bent axle. Naturally I you do less cant and toe in the drilling process, So you do not have to re-drill or fill, just less bend with the axle. So far it has done good for me and reduced the wheel hop from a 3 to 4 degree or more bent axle. Sporty
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Post by Advance The Man on Apr 2, 2010 11:40:21 GMT -7
advancedtechnology, that is ingenuity! Very nice. It is complicated for someone like me who is just now learning how to use these power tools. I do appreciate you sharing your idea and picture. You never know, it may help someone else trying to perfect and make the DOM cant process simpler.
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Post by speedie4u on Apr 2, 2010 11:54:08 GMT -7
There is also a manual / dvd you can get where they drill out bigger wholes and use set screws to adjust also.
There our a few ways to that method of approach.
Also -
some call it a pin guage, drill rod.
Sporty
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Post by 2FAST4U on Apr 2, 2010 14:43:15 GMT -7
So the rear negative cant is easy. Then you have to bend the axle. Couldn't you just move the metal 'stick' to the opposite side on the Block and it would provide the positive cant needed for the front dominate wheel? Can you tell I'm having troubles tonight bending axles correctly?? Made two beautifully canted rear cars and then butchered the DOM! WHAT DO YOU MEAN... IT DOSE PROVIDE PROPER CANT...
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Post by Advance The Man on Apr 2, 2010 17:06:19 GMT -7
So the rear negative cant is easy. Then you have to bend the axle. Couldn't you just move the metal 'stick' to the opposite side on the Block and it would provide the positive cant needed for the front dominate wheel? Can you tell I'm having troubles tonight bending axles correctly?? Made two beautifully canted rear cars and then butchered the DOM! WHAT DO YOU MEAN... IT DOSE PROVIDE PROPER CANT... For the rear it works perfect. Please share how you get the proper cant for the front DOM.
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Post by Zeebzob on Apr 2, 2010 19:25:52 GMT -7
WHAT DO YOU MEAN... IT DOSE PROVIDE PROPER CANT... For the rear it works perfect. Please share how you get the proper cant for the front DOM. There are basically 2 things you can do: Put the pin that comes with the block in the other channel, that will cant the front wheel in the opposite direction of the rears, or drill straight and just bend the axle. But either way, you will want the front axle bent so you can steer the car by turning the axle. Its really very simple, but if you have a hard time picturing it, just try it and it will become very clear. Bottom line, The Block gives you many of options on how to setup your car, experiment a little and find what works best for you.
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Post by Advance The Man on Apr 2, 2010 19:49:51 GMT -7
you know that long slot that runs the length of your block? the one you slide the pin in to do your rear canting? now go get yours and do this for me. slide an uncut piece of wood into your Block... then put the pin where you normally put it to drill your rear canting. notice the angle? memorize it........ okay here goes the hard part notice there is a 2nd groove that also runs the length of the block? slide the pin in that groove now... notice the angle now? the exact opposite of the one you memorized? one is canted opposite the other in angle you could say one is positively canted and one is negatively canted ;D Wow, I could cut the cynicism with a knife! So you don't bend your front DOM axle?
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