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Post by 94 GT Laser RC on Jan 24, 2007 19:46:15 GMT -7
Ive been reading this forum a lot, and I have seen the lubricant issue a lot.
I have seen several post that say something to the effect of
"the lubricant (kytox, nyoil, graphite) depends on the wheel and axle type" I have seen this a lot, but I have not yet seen the actual answer, just "it depends"
Can somebody please elaborate on what wheel/axles type/style go better with which lubes?
Thanks
RC
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Post by alineperformance on Jan 24, 2007 20:18:58 GMT -7
This isn't going to help you much but I personally have never used krytox or nyoil. Sometimes if you ask a question and don't get an answer it may be because you need an opinion about the subject before an answer can be offered. For me, the secret is polish, polish, polish - graphite and run.
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Post by hotrod1 on Jan 24, 2007 21:08:06 GMT -7
new to this forum but lazer ny oil is fast but tricky too apply . Very little is too much. but apply it right its fast and last for a lot of runs without re appling. Thats my expereince anyway. I myself use graphite and spin spin spin. hope this helps
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Post by P D D R 2 on Jan 24, 2007 21:16:32 GMT -7
Also it depends on the climate that you run the oils for lube... I myself wouldn't sell cars on eBay that have oil for lube... People from all over are buying these cars and if they get a car with oil in it...and they live in a cold climate the car will be slower than molasses.... oil's work much better in the warm..once heated we have seen in our testing that you can pickup 5-6 hundreds on the 42' Best Track... Dry lubricants seem to be more stable anywhere you use them....  |
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Post by 94 GT Laser RC on Jan 25, 2007 5:33:29 GMT -7
I think the first reply was based on not understanding what I am asking, and the subsequent replies based on that. I think the question was misunderstood.
What I meant was. I have seen replies where people say the type of lubricant depends on what type of axles. I think they are implying that grooved axles work better with one lubricant, highly polished but not grooved should have another type etc.
I guess what I mean is does one a certain type of lubricant work better with a certain axle or wheel type?
Thanks
RC
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Post by docb on Jan 25, 2007 7:15:38 GMT -7
I think the first reply was based on not understanding what I am asking, and the subsequent replies based on that. I think the question was misunderstood. What I meant was. I have seen replies where people say the type of lubricant depends on what type of axles. I think they are implying that grooved axles work better with one lubricant, highly polished but not grooved should have another type etc. I guess what I mean is does one a certain type of lubricant work better with a certain axle or wheel type? Thanks RC RC I think what you have been hearing with different lube types for different axle types is this...if you are running small axles, like needle axles then oil would be your best bet. If you are using bsa axles with grooves then graphite would be your best bet. If you are using bsa axles with no grooves then...pick one... ;D  |
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Post by Rail Hugger on Jan 25, 2007 8:04:09 GMT -7
RC,
I'm probably light years behind many at this level of competition but what I do know is that there is no magic lube , however there is a magic combination of prep,lube and application that gives not only great results but more importantly predictable results. For many builders these magic combo's consist of different things but through countless hours of testing and research they have found that magic combo, that's why some are rocket fast with juice and some are rocket fast with graphite . I guess the best advice I can give is record everything prep,application and results and be prepared for the frustrations of "good idea gone bad" its all part of it. This is what I'm doing and although I have'nt found the magic I'm on the edge of it.
Good Luck
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Post by P D D R 2 on Jan 25, 2007 17:55:39 GMT -7
RC, I'm probably light years behind many at this level of competition but what I do know is that there is no magic lube , however there is a magic combination of prep,lube and application that gives not only great results but more importantly predictable results. For many builders these magic combo's consist of different things but through countless hours of testing and research they have found that magic combo, that's why some are rocket fast with juice and some are rocket fast with graphite . I guess the best advice I can give is record everything prep,application and results and be prepared for the frustrations of "good idea gone bad" its all part of it. This is what I'm doing and although I have'nt found the magic I'm on the edge of it. Good Luck  Becareful about using that word "No" 
Just a thought I would run by ya......... ;DBut you have very good comments about how people do there homework....yes homework I know people don't like to do homework but Rail Hugger is correct on that ........... |
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Post by Rail Hugger on Jan 25, 2007 19:09:43 GMT -7
It's not the first time one of the Jewkes boys have ran something by me , it's normally one of those David Copperfeild tribute cars of theirs. ;D
Tim
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Post by P D D R 2 on Jan 25, 2007 19:19:54 GMT -7
It's not the first time one of the Jewkes boys have ran something by me , it's normally one of those David Copperfeild memorial cars of theirs. ;D Tim Hey Tim, just playin alittle with ya, couldn't pass that one up ;D ;D ;D 94 GT: You have read into this correct in different lubes for none grooved and grooved axle may require more testing for you. Other have found what works for them that have raced in multiple situations... We have found whats works great for us and pass our little surprize onto people that buy our Super Axles... ;D |
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Post by 94 GT Laser RC on Jan 25, 2007 21:00:33 GMT -7
SOrry about not answering the question...just got home from work. How did my Avatar and sig pic get up there?? I would rather start my car in COLD weather, let it heat up then shoot the boost on the Vortech to 10PSI while bumping up the timing and fuel pressure, since I will be bringing in some dry cold dense air....should be good for mid 12's  Thanks for the replies!! RC |
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Post by festiva91 on Jan 27, 2007 21:54:52 GMT -7
I can understand worrying about the viscosity of lube if you are in the arctic circle or using 90wt gear lube but krytox is pretty low viscosity and you should only just apply a very light film. If you see it you have too much on. I don't have any experience with nyoil.
Isn't it better to use a more coarse graphite than a fine powdered graphite? I thought the thread about fastest graphite showed that the finer the graphite was the slower it was. Why I don't know, but it doesn't seem like it should, but testing times do not lie.
Isn't it fair to assume, that oil runs better on grooved axles, non-grooved axles can run wet or dry lube. White teflon should be avoided at all costs.
I just saw a news report that said for new cars you do not have to let them sit and warm up anymore like you used to have to for older cars. On some new cars it was actually detrimental. Buy a car with heated seats, well worth the extra money if it is an available option!
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Post by Road Runner Racing on Mar 1, 2007 11:03:14 GMT -7
;D
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Post by Road Runner Racing on Mar 1, 2007 12:11:47 GMT -7
Festiva91 wrote: Isn't it better to use a more coarse graphite than a fine powdered graphite? I thought the thread about fastest graphite showed that the finer the graphite was the slower it was. Why I don't know, but it doesn't seem like it should, but testing times do not lie. Isn't it fair to assume, that oil runs better on grooved axles, non-grooved axles can run wet or dry lube. White teflon should be avoided at all costs. I just saw a news report that said for new cars you do not have to let them sit and warm up anymore like you used to have to for older cars. On some new cars it was actually detrimental. Buy a car with heated seats, well worth the extra money if it is an available option! Festiva91, Maxv states on his website that he tested the finer graphite and it tested better than hob-e-lube. Granted he is a reseller, however he always seems to tell it like it is. As I am sure you have read in other posts there are different lubes and different techniques that work better for some but not for others. "Coarser" vs. "Finer" graphite tests could be skewed by application technique. Obviously some on this board have a great technique for the coarse and some for the finer. That is what is so intriguing about this sport, there are so many variables that can give you different results. Any one of us could have the "Holy Grail" of lubricants sitting on our work bench and not even know it because the first time we tested it we did not use the magic application technique to allow the lube to work to it's full potential. By the way heated seats are in all of my "Derby Cars". It is standard equipment!  Racing |
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Post by Hillbilly Kustoms on Mar 3, 2007 23:30:45 GMT -7
I put coarse graphite in Skys car for his pack race. It was slooooow. Hob-e-lub is much faster and easier to apply as well.
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Becareful about using that word "No" 
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