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Post by Ironhead on May 5, 2009 17:41:06 GMT -7
Good evening gentlemen,I just returned from a very depressing district committee meeting, the proposed rule changes will dictate the following:axle slots must be used no extended wheel bases how does this affect me with "The Block" will I be able to cant wheels, will I be able to raise one wheel,be able to rail ride,what are my options with this change)no aftermarket axles or wheels(do Jewkes aftermarkets appear stock)any and all input/suggestions is GREATLY appreciated. They may consider impounding cars from the pack race to district race.
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Post by Beakerboys Racing on May 5, 2009 18:11:49 GMT -7
Good evening gentlemen,I just returned from a very depressing district committee meeting, the proposed rule changes will dictate the following:axle slots must be used no extended wheel bases how does this affect me with "The Block" will I be able to cant wheels, will I be able to raise one wheel,be able to rail ride,what are my options with this change)no aftermarket axles or wheels(do Jewkes aftermarkets appear stock)any and all input/suggestions is GREATLY appreciated. They may consider impounding cars from the pack race to district race. Yes you can still use the Block. Do the rules say you have to use the "factory slots" or does it say just "slots? You can recreate the slots after drilling holes with the Block, or use the Block to straighten the slots that are already there. Canting will be tough without bending axles if you have to use the slots. It can be done, I wouldn't recommend it as bending is tought to get right, IMO. Raised wheel is simple, just deepen the slot on the side you want raised, by using the block to drill a hole right above the slot and ream it out. Railriding still aplies to slots, no different, just narrow the front. Jewkes wheels are in my opinion perfectly fine to use. They should be legal, unless someone really knows what to look for, and I believe it could be argued that the prep work produced the wheels you have on the car.I can prep a set to look like Glenns wheels , just can't make them run as fast. The Jewkes axles appear stock on the head, but are very different on the pointed end. This may raise some eyebrows if the judges know what they are looking at. Don't worry about the extended wheel base, it has been proven that a short wheel base car can be just as fast if set up right. Scott Beakerboys |
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Post by 2FAST4U on May 5, 2009 18:14:25 GMT -7
Good evening gentlemen,I just returned from a very depressing district committee meeting, the proposed rule changes will dictate the following:axle slots must be used no extended wheel bases how does this affect me with "The Block" will I be able to cant wheels, will I be able to raise one wheel,be able to rail ride,what are my options with this change)no aftermarket axles or wheels(do Jewkes aftermarkets appear stock)any and all input/suggestions is GREATLY appreciated. They may consider impounding cars from the pack race to district race. here is how you use the slots... use the slots as a gage, draw a line from the slot to the top of the wood and use that for new drilled holes in the wood by using the block... after the holes are drilled then cut new slots up to your new drilled holes.... or if you do not feel good about that, then fill your slots up with five min apoxy and then drill your axle holes... ;D after market wheels needed I have you covered... I can true up wheels that will pass any rules. just let me know and you are taken care of...  Glenn |
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Post by LCD Racing on May 5, 2009 18:54:27 GMT -7
Welcome to the rules my scouts and I have been using for years now. For the slots, I've made up a jig that places the hole at the correct height and attitude. The slots in Scout kits are more narrow than the axles. Work out your alignment as normal. If you are adopting these rules, I wouldn't be surprised if you have the 4 wheels touching and no canting rules, also. You will want to check that out. We also are not allowed to remove any material from the inside of wheels or hubs making it very hard to do any balancing. The inspection crew here in Montana is ruthless when it comes to axles and wheels. If they have any question at all, the axle comes out for a closer look and seeing as cars have historically been impounded from district races until the state race is completed, someone else is going to line up your car.  The trick we use is to give the judges no reason at all to doubt. Now these rules were intended to give all the scouts a level field to play on. There have been more than a few parents that have bought their kids way to state. I can't say I agree with these rules completely. It is too easy for the scout to be dq'd just by opening the kit they were given. (Block too short, slanted slots, bad grain structure, bad wheel molds, bent axles, etc...) Anyway, get a good look at the new rules before you change a thing. I would suggest redrilling inside the existing axle slots and gluing after alignment. Make it obvious that you followed the rules. Get together with the derby chair for your pack and open all the kits. Match all the wheel molds you can and check slots for perpendicularity. Repack and give the best kits to the kids. Give out the less than stellar kits for the parents to build with. They usually have more lenient rules anyway. Well, that's my rant and suggestions. |
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Post by Ironhead on May 6, 2009 12:50:48 GMT -7
THANK YOU gentlemen for your replies.
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Post by W Racing on May 7, 2009 22:25:59 GMT -7
Sorry to hear about the rules.  Impounds are not fun at all. They should think of it as the team qualifying to go to the next round and not the car... If the team wants to build a new car or sit with the old one it does not matter. If they insist on an impound than the same style and size of track would need to be used for all local, district and council races to make it fair. Otherwise huge advantage to a pack that owns the track used at districts and council... (Perhaps the reason for the rule is to obtain an unfair advantage) Also all levels of races need the same set of rules if you are going to impound... Proposed rule: AXLE LOCATIONS - Known inconsistencies with the alignment and location of pre-cut axle slots reduce the overall consistency and effectiveness of requiring Derby Car builders to use them. The origonal slots may be used or the block can be flipped over and holes drilled in the same location as the slots. Moving the axles forward or back on the car is not allowed. For example cutting the back of the block off and adding it to the front is not allowed. You can do well regardless of the rules as long as the rules are enforcable. Wishing you the best. |
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Post by Ironhead on May 10, 2009 14:50:33 GMT -7
Thanks W our pack was fine, we hosted the district this year and someone from another pack complained about one of his own and now not only is the district in turmoil now ,these changes will affect us on a pack level.
Thanks again for the reply
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Impounds are not fun at all. They should think of it as the team qualifying to go to the next round and not the car... If the team wants to build a new car or sit with the old one it does not matter. If they insist on an impound than the same style and size of track would need to be used for all local, district and council races to make it fair. Otherwise huge advantage to a pack that owns the track used at districts and council... (Perhaps the reason for the rule is to obtain an unfair advantage)
