Lima Land Open

[docb]

Aug 3, 2008 16:22:38 GMT -7 @woodenshoe1 said:

Has anyone heard anything about a Lima Land Open for 2008 or has the Bluegrass Nationals replaced it?

Wooden Shoe

Still on.... Sept 19, 20

Big axle cars running Friday night, needle axle cars running Saturday.

[Cecil B. Deluxe]

Aug 6, 2008 16:10:58 GMT -7 @woodenshoe1 said:

Thanks Doc,

Anyone have any more details? Who is all going? Anybody have anything "special" planned for the event?

Wooden Shoe

I think fat boy has something "special " planned.

No seriously I am new to the league thing. Since the Jewkes are the fastest in the WORLD (no offense LA, you are gaining on them ...).

Okay startover, Since the Jewkes are the fastest in the WORLD (again no offense Fatboy, I know you have them this month )....

Since the Jewkes, LA and Fatboy are the fastest in the WORLD, no "National Championship" would be right without them.

So is Lima the true "National Championship"

Curious minds want to know???

[Carolina Gravity Sports]

I think LA said it best in another post, it will take a neutral event to determine a so called National champion. Maybe you take the winners from the Bluegrass Nationals, plus the winners from Lima Land Open, Peachtree and any others and have them mail the cars to a neutral site. No live attendees allowed. Race the cars and whoever comes out on top would be #1. The only problem that still arises is the slight variations in rules in different leagues. They are close but some slight differences. It would be interesting and fun to say the least.

[Beakerboys Racing]

Hey guys,
Just wanted to put my thoughts down on this. I don't know that you can proclaim a national championship at any race because of so many factors that come into play. Such things as who is sponsoring the event, who is running the event, where is the event being held, what track is it being run on. I wasn't at Lima last year or Peachtree so I didn't see what went on. Was there some favoritism being show? I don't know. I can tell you this though, I know Lucky 13 and Warren and they are top notch guys and they are NOT, I mean NOT, associated with any PWD supplier out there. Does that make them neutral? I think so. My guess is that is about as neutral of a location and facilitator as you can get, as neither of these two men are having their strings pulled by anyone in this hobby.

Would a WIRL sanctioned event be neutral? Maybe, maybe not. I think Steve and Jennifer do a great job with their races but there again, I can see how it could be construed that it would be bias because of their close association with DerbyWorx. I don't think that to be the case but I can see how it could be seen that way.

Would a P-D-D-R sanctioned event be neutral? Maybe or maybe not. Again the Jewkes brothers do a great job with their races but I could see where it could be said that it would be bias. Do I think that would be the case? No, I wouldn't have a problem racing in an event put on by them.

How about Lima? Don't really know. I heard things but that is just hearsay. I don't put allot into that until I see it for myself.

So how do we make EVERYONE happy? I don't think you can. There are so many different opinions and personalities in this great hobby and to come up with an event that could be proclaimed as a National Championship would be impossible because someone somewhere would not like who was running it or who was sponsoring it or the rules being used. So what do you do? You have to have someone run it and you have to have sponsors to offset the cost and give away stuff so people will come and you got to have a track to run it on.

As far the rules go, what difference does it make what rules are used? You as a racer don't get the luxury of choosing the rules when you race at a Cub Scout event, so what do you do? You make your car as fast as you can within the rules. If you are a great builder, the rules shouldn't matter. You can build a fast car no matter what.

I do know that PWDR was started for just some of these reasons. They don't use the message board of one particular PWD supplier and they don't promote anyones product. Warren and Lucky do this because they love the hobby. I can assure you that Warren doesn't make any money of the 12 dollar entry fees and the money for those fee goes into paying his expense for running the races and improving the quality of the proxy races for guess who? YOU! As for the BGN, the money collected will probably go to pay for the event. Another thing, Warren and Lucky don't sell PWD specialty tools and they don't sell wheels and they don't sell PWD supplies. So can you call them neutral? You decide.


So as far as a neutral site and facilitator to put on a national event, I think BGN is going to be about as close as you can get. Will a National Champion be crowned there? Probably. Will he be recognized by everyone for his accomplishment? Well I guess that will have to be decide by each of us individually.

Personally I don't think anyone would have the right to criticize that National Champ if you aren't going to participate. Can you say that guy isn't a true champion because I wasn't there? No. You can't take that accomplishment away from someone who has earned it. That would be like me saying the Jewkes brothers are not the Lima champions and the fastest that year because I wasn't there to race them. Sound kinda silly doesn't it. So what do we do? If your a pinehead like me, you go RACE! But don't sit on the sideline and hurl insults and belittlements if your not going to participate. If your fast, come race!

I just wish we could all get along and quit worry about the little stuff. This is suppose to be about having fun, but we are all grown men with egos so I guess that is impossible.

Just my 2 cents.

Scott

Beakerboys

[Cam-Car Racing]

Even though I haven't raced in a "National Championship" race, I would like to express a thought or two about the situation. This post should probably be sent to the PWD message board also, but probably some of those guys will read this anyway.

First of all, I don't understand why PWD pushed Blue Grass so hard to be the big race, and Lima was left in the background. Was there some dissatisfaction with Lima, or what? Is the reason because they want to move the "big race" around to different parts of the country?

Last year several PDDR racers made the effort to attend the Lima race, which showed they had a lot of respect for the racers and recognized it as a "National Championship race. Would PWD racers and WIRL racers have the same respect for a PDDR sponsored event out West and make an effort to attend, and recognize it as the "National Championship Race"?

I would like to see the contention between the various leagues cease. I think it would be a good idea to have each league take a turn sponsoring a race each year that all the leagues recognized as the the National Championship". Which ever league was sponsoring the event that year would specify the rules.

Does anyone agree with me?

Thanks,

Dennis Campbell (Cam-Car-Racing)

[Cecil B. Deluxe]

Aug 7, 2008 8:47:47 GMT -7 Cam-Car Racing said:

I would like to see the contention between the various leagues cease. I think it would be a good idea to have each league take a turn sponsoring a race each year that all the leagues recognized as the the National Championship". Which ever league was sponsoring the event that year would specify the rules.

Does anyone agree with me?

Thanks,

Dennis Campbell (Cam-Car-Racing)

Good idea, kind of like the all-star baseball game. Either American League rules or National league rules depending on which ballpark.

I did not mean to open any wounds by my earlier post. I think this discussion could be good for the sport.

[Da Pine Racing]

The BGN is a race.

Enter or don't. The old saying goes, "you can't make everyone happy" Didn't PWD Racing sanction Lima last year? and what is the problem this year @ BGN?

I looked at the pre-register list & counted 9 builders who race or have raced here @ PDDR.

I will be there to shake hands, see some friends, meet some new friends, race little wooden cars, try some Kentucky BBQ and have a good time.

[psycaz]

I don't think the BGN was meant to replace Lima. Lucky13 organized the North Coast Open last year. He moved to Kentucky this year, hence the name and location change.

I don't it was ever his or their intention to replace Lima. Just that the BGN seemed to gathered a life of its own. Probability due to location, proximity to others, and how much sponsorship it generated.

[Cecil B. Deluxe]

Good point

[docb]

wooden shoe.....

if you can make your way through all the nonsense banter about a national champ.....I have more info about the lima land open...you can pm me.

I am going to lima this year.

[Shade Racing]

I agree with CAM-CAR if all pwd leagues could get together and form a race & let each league sponsor a class"classes" and use their rules for each class their sponsoring just some of my thoughts