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Post by *5 J's* on Mar 18, 2011 11:42:28 GMT -7
it is a suspension .... powdered MOLYBDENUM in alcohol...the alcohol evaporates... ive made it myself... not worth the time or $ as far as speed I would wager a bet that it is NOT powdered MOLYBDENUM in alcohol. The substance in the alcohol is a translucent "glob". I have more to on this subject, but just got back from a week of bouncing around the north atlantic in a tin can - followed by a few adult beverages - so I reply with more tomorrow.... |
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Post by Slingblades_Grindhouse on Mar 18, 2011 13:43:58 GMT -7
was not aware that it was CLEAR ! interesting? seen the secret mix of moly for some time but...not a clear substance
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Post by *5 J's* on Apr 4, 2011 10:07:11 GMT -7
Okay, so I bought some of the coaches secret lube to try. The website says the lube is the perfect legal dry lube for Pinewood Derby race cars. There have been rumors that the product contains oil. As our Cub Scout rules prohibit the use of oil, so I inquired about the make up of the product before using it. I was informed that the lube "is considered to be a dry lube as it dries fast", but the makeup is a trade secret. So to ensure compliance with our Pack rules, I put a drop of the product on 1/2 of a wheel tread and allowed the product to "dry" for 24 hours as per the instructions. After 24 hours of drying the wheel tread is still wet with what seems to be oil. I do not feel this product is legal for Packs that restrict to dry lubricants. While I cannot ascertain what the product is, I can say that it is NOT a dry lubricant.  |
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Post by TXJay on Apr 4, 2011 10:34:31 GMT -7
Okay, so I bought some of the coaches secret lube to try. The website says the lube is the perfect legal dry lube for Pinewood Derby race cars. There have been rumors that the product contains oil. As our Cub Scout rules prohibit the use of oil, so I inquired about the make up of the product before using it. I was informed that the lube "is considered to be a dry lube as it dries fast", but the makeup is a trade secret. So to ensure compliance with our Pack rules, I put a drop of the product on 1/2 of a wheel tread and allowed the product to "dry" for 24 hours as per the instructions. After 24 hours of drying the wheel tread is still wet with what seems to be oil. I do not feel this product is legal for Packs that restrict to dry lubricants. While I cannot ascertain what the product is, I can say that it is NOT a dry lubricant. HHmmmm.... I bought some of the stuff myself just to try it out of curiosity. After I applied the liquid it did dry pretty fast. I didn't see any parts that were still wet. I used an old car that was running 2.98s on a 42ft Best Track using Graphite. I cleaned all the graphite off the wheels and axles using alcohol. I took my time and made sure all the graphite was gone. I applied the secret lube as directed and let dry. I reassembled the car and ran it. My times were in the 3.22s range. I made several runs to see if it improved any. It did not. My conclusion is that it's crap as I expected. But then again maybe someone else would have better luck with it. If anyone would be interested in doing their own testing "Ahheemm John" I will gladly send them the remainder of what I have which is enough do do a few more cars. You just have to promise to post your results here. |
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Post by *5 J's* on Apr 4, 2011 10:49:04 GMT -7
HHmmmm.... I bought some of the stuff myself just to try it out of curiosity. After I applied the liquid it did dry pretty fast. I didn't see any parts that were still wet. ?? Can you put some on the tread one half of the tread and verify that it dries? I don't think you wold notice if you just put it in the bore. Another consideration - he has changed his formulation over time. When did you purchase? I purchased about two months ago. |
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Post by TXJay on Apr 4, 2011 11:11:34 GMT -7
HHmmmm.... I bought some of the stuff myself just to try it out of curiosity. After I applied the liquid it did dry pretty fast. I didn't see any parts that were still wet. ?? Can you put some on the tread one half of the tread and verify that it dries? I don't think you wold notice if you just put it in the bore. Another consideration - he has changed his formulation over time. When did you purchase? I purchased about two months ago. I bought mine about 2 weeks ago. I put the secret lube in the bore, on the edge of the wheel, on the hub, around the axle holes and on the axles. I did not put any on the tread as I don't put graphite there either. I can try some on there if you want and let you know the results. (It takes 24 hours to dry) |
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Post by *5 J's* on Apr 4, 2011 11:22:27 GMT -7
I bought mine about 2 weeks ago. I put the secret lube in the bore, on the edge of the wheel, on the hub, around the axle holes and on the axles. I did not put any on the tread as I don't put graphite there either. I can try some on there if you want and let you know the results. (It takes 24 hours to dry) I would appreciate if you could check out an post the results. I wouldn't put any on the tread for an actual race wheel, I just wanted to verify (or not) that the product was indeed a DRY product as advertised. I even put a test wheel in the dehydrator for 24 hours - still had an oily finish on the tread which could be "smeared" from the lubed surface to the non-lubed surface. To me this is not a property of a dry lubricant. |
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Post by *5 J's* on Apr 4, 2011 11:29:41 GMT -7
I will test it for you TX. I will post any result I find. John - appreciate you testing this product for us. Let us know if it truly "dries" for you. |
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Post by TXJay on Apr 4, 2011 11:39:06 GMT -7
I will test it for you TX. I will post any result I find. Sweet! What address can I send it to? |
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Post by psycaz on Apr 4, 2011 12:18:53 GMT -7
I bought mine about 2 weeks ago. I put the secret lube in the bore, on the edge of the wheel, on the hub, around the axle holes and on the axles. I did not put any on the tread as I don't put graphite there either. I can try some on there if you want and let you know the results. (It takes 24 hours to dry) I would appreciate if you could check out an post the results. I wouldn't put any on the tread for an actual race wheel, I just wanted to verify (or not) that the product was indeed a DRY product as advertised. I even put a test wheel in the dehydrator for 24 hours - still had an oily finish on the tread which could be "smeared" from the lubed surface to the non-lubed surface. To me this is not a property of a dry lubricant. 5J's Could you describe the smear factor a bit more? I mean graphite smears to non-coated surfaces too when used - fingers, car bodies, tables ;D (back of my head when I get hit by my wife for it being on the table when using it - her finger to the back of my head being specific) I would expect some migration by any lube, dry or wet when spread. Are you seeing anything similar to fingerprints when you remove your finger? That would be more indicative of a "wetter" lube than dry to me? Just trying to get an idea as to what it is and does? Others have said it dries extremely fast previously, so maybe they have reformulated. |
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Post by TXJay on Apr 4, 2011 12:25:48 GMT -7
When I applied the lube I used very little as recommended in the directions. For me it dried very fast (within 5 minutes). Maybe 5J's you are putting it on thicker then I am. I don't really know. I will send the bottle to John and see if he gets similar results. Who knows, maybe I did it wrong.
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Post by *5 J's* on Apr 4, 2011 14:36:30 GMT -7
5J's Could you describe the smear factor a bit more? I mean graphite smears to non-coated surfaces too when used - fingers, car bodies, tables ;D (back of my head when I get hit by my wife for it being on the table when using it - her finger to the back of my head being specific) I would expect some migration by any lube, dry or wet when spread. Are you seeing anything similar to fingerprints when you remove your finger? That would be more indicative of a "wetter" lube than dry to me? Just trying to get an idea as to what it is and does? Others have said it dries extremely fast previously, so maybe they have reformulated. lol - as soon as I posted about smearing I knew I would get called on the graphite smearing. Yes graphite smears, but not like a liquid. Yes on my test wheel it would leave a fingerprint in the lube. Actually the lube tended to pool a bit at the edge of the tread that was down. I could run my finger into the pool and again it felt like oil. If I flipped the wheel over the lube would start moving towards the opposite side - albeit VERY slowly. Anyway, I may have put it on too heavy so I will try another sample. It's odd as other have posted that it dries completely. |
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Post by *5 J's* on Apr 4, 2011 18:24:11 GMT -7
Couple of disclaimers - one, I have no interest in figuring out what this product is, rather my interest was to decide if it was a dry lubricant that met the rules of our Pack. Second, I was ready to write this off as illegal per our rules until others posted that they have used the product and it was dry.
I ran a second sample with a light coat as reccomended and after 4 hours - the product still seems like a liquid to me. I'll give it a full 24 hours to be fair.
Some have suggested this product is Krytox in an alcohol base. Tonight I put a few drops of krxtox in a container and added iso alcohol. I can tell you that it did NOT appear similiar to the Secret Lube. Both had a clear or translucent glob in the alcohol, however the glob of krytox moved around in the oil quite rapidly as the container was rotated, whereas the glob in the secret lube moved around much slower as the container was rotated. Once applied to a wheel tread the krytox/alcohol mix seemed to evaporate within a minute with no evidence of application or oily residue left behind, however, the Secret lube seems to spread to an even wet/oily coating on the tread.
Again, I'm not trying to figure out what the composition is, rather if it is truly a dry lube as advertised. As the manufucturer will not confirm nor deny it contains oil, I tried an alcohol/oil mix to see if this was the mix. I can comfortably say the mix is not Krytox in iso alcohol.
At this point I still contend that it leaves a liquid coating on the tread, but will wait the full 24 hours to be fair. I would like to see others apply the secret lube to the tread surface and verify that the product fully dries as advertised.
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Post by *5 J's* on Apr 4, 2011 19:07:29 GMT -7
The better question is why dry lube only? Dry lube at the time of inspection? How dry is dry enough? That is a good question. But so is why are four wheels required to touch - and as well as other questions... I am hoping I can affect a change in the rules before next years race. |
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Post by Wood Butcher Racing on Apr 5, 2011 11:46:59 GMT -7
The better question is why dry lube only? Dry lube at the time of inspection? How dry is dry enough? That is a good question. But so is why are four wheels required to touch - and as well as other questions... I am hoping I can affect a change in the rules before next years race. These "race officials" make way too much about the rules. All in the spirit of "fair competition". That, in itself is unfair. I may be willing to work harder than someone else for the win. How is that unfair? The kits from the Scout store are not the same. How is that fair? If I win my pack with car 'A' and then compete in district with car 'B'. How is that fair to my pack? They should get back to the basics, let the Akela's and kids have fun together! What is this, nascar? I say, if you want hard core racing against the best competition, you should be right here. If you wanna be the best, you gotta beat the best! |
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